Comments on: The Chocolate and Peanut Butter of Noir and Speculative Fiction http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/ sff book reviews and subversive ontology Fri, 11 May 2012 04:00:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Top 10 List 2009 « MentatJack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-983 Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:02:02 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-983 [...] wrote this post in July. Here’s a list of all the speculative fiction books with noir elements I read this [...]

]]> By: Borderlands Books « MentatJack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-945 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:37:33 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-945 [...] and Chris were gracious book store hosts. They chatted with me about Noir in Speculative Fiction. Turns out io9 has also been fascinated by noir in fantasy of late. They entertained my spiel about [...]

]]> By: Review: Finch by Jeff VanderMeer « MentatJack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-924 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:43:18 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-924 [...] is unquestionably noir and unquestionably speculative fiction (I’ve been fixated on this combination recently). One of the book’s many mysteries for me as a reader was what speculative fiction [...]

]]> By: Review: Sweet Silver Blues by Glen Cook « MentatJack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-915 Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:43:34 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-915 [...] he’d written serious fantasy and at least one science fiction book. One of the comments on my speculative fiction and noir post pointed me to his Garret PI novels, the first of which is Sweet Silver Blues. The series has grown [...]

]]> By: mentatjack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-800 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:39:20 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-800 This isn’t the best example of the project, but here’s the Noir TagShadow. It intersects fairly nicely with my list and the comments.

]]> By: Blue Tyson http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-777 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:14:01 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-777 Warren Hammond’s Kop/Ex-Kop and short stories are 100% deliberately this, too.

]]> By: Updates: TagShadow and RIP « MentatJack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-773 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:12:22 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-773 [...] favorite part about that one is my bookmark. And I pimp my Noir and Speculative Fiction [...]

]]> By: mentatjack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-760 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 19:33:38 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-760 Wow, thanks for the great list. I totally agree about Hellboy and Grimjack. As for the rest, it looks like I have some reading in store.

]]> By: Blue Tyson http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-759 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 09:25:51 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-759 There’s a decent sized excerpt of Finch online now.

Chandler did write a little fantasy stuff – not very good.

The Sword-Edged Blonde is ok, nothing to rush out to get.

Andrew Vachss, however, don’t think it is possible to get more hardboiled than he is – and he has a short sequence of SF stories. Also wrote a Batman novel. Then there’s Hellboym and Grimjack.

The Snake Agent books aren’t hardboiled. Not Williams’ style at all, as far as I can tell.

The hardest boiled bloke you are missing is Charlie Huston’s Joe Pitt.

As to the very best mixer of them other that isn’t Richard Morgan – Leigh Brackett.

Northwest Smith.

Crazy stuff like Robert E. Howard’s Skull Face.

Then there’s Neuromancer and a whole cyberpunk Strain. Hardwired, Dervish is Digital, Lucent Carbon, stories like that.

Steven Brust’s Vlad Taltos.

Nine Princes in Amber, Roger Zelazny.

Chasm City and The Prefect, Alastair Reynolds.

A fair swathe of Lucius Shepard.

The reverse of Chandler, Lewis Shiner is someone that has written a handful of detective stories.

Gridlinked and the other Cormac books by Neal Asher.

Couple of Egan stories, The Caress, etc.

A few Laumers.

Peter F. Hamilton’s Greg Mandel books.

Laird Barron, mostly.

Kristine Kathryn Rusch has some, being a crime writer as well. Retrieval Artist, The Silence, etc.

F. Paul Wilson’s Repairman Jack, if you like.

Gareth L. Powell, The Last Reef.

]]> By: Review: Quarantine by Greg Egan « MentatJack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-758 Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:02:55 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-758 [...] on the Noir and Speculative Fiction trend, I just received an ARC of Finch. Now I have to decide if I start that or The City and The [...]

]]> By: Review: The City and The City by China Miéville « MentatJack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-757 Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:55:36 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-757 [...] into a world that we recognize as ours. As I’ve been examining the connection between noir and speculative fiction, I’ve been noticing that mystery and seedy underbelly elements of noir are pretty much [...]

]]> By: Genreville Relaunches Today « MentatJack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-733 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:13:26 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-733 [...] last bit before I get to work. I’ve added a few books to my Noir and Speculative Fiction post and there will be a few more updates to come as I continue exploring this genre [...]

]]> By: Review: Necropath by Eric Brown « MentatJack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-635 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:51:40 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-635 [...] is science fiction noir. It’s the first book in a trilogy and it’s told in the 3rd person with viewpoint [...]

]]> By: fritz freiheit.com blog » Link dump http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-621 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:19:03 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-621 [...] The Chocolate and Peanut Butter of Noir and Speculative Fiction ? MentatJack (SF,Fantasy,Noir,Book,N… [...]

]]> By: mentatjack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-607 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:14:11 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-607 Nekropolis looks like a fun read and the publisher Angry Robot is an imprint I’ve been keeping my eye on. There’s a free preview of Nekropolis at the Angry Robot site if you want a taste.

]]> By: Stefan Marco http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-606 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:03:56 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-606 Double thumbs-up for the Lethem, which is extraordinary. The Chabon is great too, an old fashioned detective novel set in a fascinating alternate history. I’d also point to a brand new book, albeit reworked from an older novella – Tim Waggoner’s Nekropolis, which is a zombie detective in a city of undead, vampires, and so on. Could be cheesy, but Waggoner knows his noir and pulp intimately and instead it really comes to life, as it were.

]]> By: mentatjack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-603 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:38:16 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-603 Great suggestion! I’m definitely going to check that one out!

]]> By: zoem http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-602 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:54:00 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-602 Jonathan Lethem’s wonderful Gun With Occasional Music definitely hits this, oddly and wonderfully, on the nose. Looking forward to looking through this list!

]]> By: Isolation Science Fiction « MentatJack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-601 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:20:08 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-601 [...] Quarantine just arrived, and the first sentence hooked me. “Only my most paranoid clients phone me in my sleep.” Immediately I’m assuming I’ve got some Noir on my hands, and because it’s Egan, I’m betting I’ll have another book to add to my Speculative Fiction Noir List. [...]

]]> By: A Genre Map « MentatJack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-581 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:07:33 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-581 [...] fiction, post apocalyptic, steam punk, war novel. That’s a ton of sub-genres. I posted about noir and speculative ficiton and upon further thought that combination is even more pervasive than I’d considered. [...]

]]> By: Seth Harwood Signing « MentatJack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-568 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:24:42 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-568 [...] Harwood, who I follow because the CrimeWav podcast he produces, commented on my Noir and Speculative Fiction post last week. Via twitter, he let me know about his signing today, so I headed out to Mysteries [...]

]]> By: mentatjack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-564 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:54:08 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-564 I keep this blog MOSTLY about speculative fiction, but I try to work in CrimeWAV mentions whenever possible as I’m a massive fan of the podcast! Thanks for stopping by.

]]> By: Seth http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-547 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:58:31 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-547 Yes! Blade Runner is completely what you’re talking about and a fantastic movie to boot! But of course you know that. Altered Carbon is also a favorite of mine: a total blend of future sci-fi and the classic Chandler set up.

Thanks much for picking up a copy of JWU and for starting this conversation! I hope you enjoy the book!

More to come in CrimeWAV, my own feed, and on!!

Seth

]]> By: mentatjack http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-541 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:23:42 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-541 Thanks! Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and Blade Runner together pretty much define what you expect from a mix of Science Ficiton and Noir. I’d heard of the Jo Walton books you mentioned, but didn’t realize they were in this vein. Again, thanks for your suggestions.

]]> By: shaunduke http://mentatjack.com/2009/07/02/the-chocolate-and-peanut-butter-of-noir-and-speculative-fiction/#comment-540 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:48:07 +0000 http://mentatjack.com/?p=893#comment-540 What about Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? by Philip K. Dick (detective fiction meets science fiction)? Not recent, I know, but still a classic and one of my favorites.

Oh and a good mixture of alternate history and detective mystery, in much the same vein as Chabon’s The Yiddish Policeman’s Union, is Jo Walton’s Farthing series (consists of Farthin, Ha’Penny, and Half A Crown). I don’t know if that’s the proper name for the series, but it’s good stuff.

I’m sure there are many others that I have forgotten, but so be it!

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